The Bible says that integrity and love are the basis of leadership. And I think that that's extraordinarily important. What I found is very helpful to me is to have a table where a lot of different points of view are represented, and where I can sit and poke and prod and ask them questions, so that any blind spots I have or predispositions that I have, that my assumptions are challenged.
On domestic policy, I've got friends ranging from Ted Kennedy to Tom Colburn, who don't necessarily agree on a lot of things, but who both have a sincere desire to see this country improve. There are people like Sam Nunn, a Democrat, or Dick Lugar, a Republican, who I'd listen to on foreign policy. Now in terms of the administrations or how I would approach the presidency, I don't think I'd restrict myself to three people. When I've got big decisions I often check in with her. And she's a very grounded, common sense, no fuss, no frills kind of person. She worked on a bomber assembly line during World War Ii while my grandfather was away, came back, got a job as a secretary and worked her way up to become a bank vice president before she retired. Another person in that category is my grandmother, is an extraordinary woman. And one of the things you need, I think, any leader needs is somebody who can get up in your face and say boy, you really screwed that one up. You mentioned one person I'd be listening to, and that's Michelle, my wife, who is not only wise, but she's honest. OBAMA: I was going to say - you know, there are so many people that are constantly helping to shape my views and my opinions. This is the second time I have been here. OBAMA: I love the ministries that are taking place here at Saddleback. OBAMA: First of all, let me thank you for having he here, Rick. There's a verse in proverbs that says, "fools think they need no advice but wise listen to other people." Who are the three wisest people you know in your life, and who are you going to rely on heavily in your administration? And the first issue is the area of listening. But as a pastor, I've got some verses that have to do with leadership.
WARREN: These first set of questions deal with your personal life as a leader, and I'm not going to do this with any other segment. WARREN: We're going to talk about four different issues tonight, Barack. SEN BARACK OBAMA (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Good to see you. And will you welcome Senator Barack Obama. We need to restore civility in our civil discourse, and that's the goal of the Saddleback Civil Forum. In America, we've got to learn to disagree without demonizing each other and we need to restore civility - Yes. And they have very different views on how America can be strengthened. I don't happen to agree with everything each of them teach or believe, but they both care deeply about America. I have to tell you up front, both of these guys are my friends. We're going to look at four different things, and the number of questions answered in each segment will depend on how succinct the senator is. Now, each of the interviews will be segmented into four different sections. We flipped a coin, and we have safely placed Senator McCain in a cone of silence. Now, what I decided is to allow for proper comparison, I'm going to ask identical questions to each of these candidates. We believe in the separation of church and state, but we do not believe in the separation of faith and politics, because faith is just a world view, and everybody has some kind of world view. Tonight, we're going to use the interview format with these two candidates. We're here in Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California. PASTOR RICK WARREN, SADDLEBACK CHURCH: Welcome to the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency.
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